Diesel Performance for CHEAP

[STV_Keith]

If you are on the fence, now is the time to buy. I've been authorized to blow out some product through the end of this month. Other than E-bay, I can beat any advertised price on Edge performance boxes or AFE airbox kits by 5% and ship the product UPS ground for free.

Ford Powerstroke 7.3l and 6.0l
Chevy Duramax
Dodge Cummins 98.5 - current

Just trying to hook up my fellow boaters. Give me a call or send me a PM. 800-628-8111

[kevnmcd]

Keith - Do you have a link to your shop so I can see what you have available? I think I might be interested! :wow:

[STV_Keith]

For the Edge stuff, check out their website: http://www.edgeproducts.com

Our website is http://www.dieseldynamics.com though. We do carry other stuff as well. ;)

[kevnmcd]

What do you feel is the best bang for the buck on the '06 LBZ?

[STV_Keith]

Juice/Attitude $625

[kimswang]

My engines smokes like a diesel, got something for that?:D :D

[kevnmcd]

Juice/Attitude $625

What is involved with installing that? Do I need to add an EGT sensor in the manifold? What about a larger exhaust...is that required? I am not looking to use level 5 all the time (although it will be fun to use from time to time :rolleyes: ), I am mostly looking at it for increased mileage and towing capabilities.

[STV_Keith]

EGT sensor yes, but nothing else required. You can download the instruction manual from the Edge website too. Probably an hour install first time around.

[Essex502]

Keith - What's your experience with the Edge units on a CTD and mileage? I've heard of mileage increases with this box. My setup is 2005 CTD with a 4:10 gear. Getting 18.0 now if I keep the truck under 70 mph. Would like to get 18.0 or better at 75 mph if possible without changing the gear. What do you think?

[sandman0_0]

How much to install the Juice with Attitude on a 01 Dodge? I bought one a year ago from a friend that sold his truck before he ever opened the box. Thanks

[STV_Keith]

Typically mileage will increase with the EZ modules. 10% is the average. The Juice on that truck is a different story. Usually stays the same.

Sandman, we don't do installs here. Try Jim at Acclaim. 938-6310.

[sandman0_0]

Hi Keith, I see you started using the LV Gas Prices website. Thats a handy site I track all my maintence records with that site.

[sandman0_0]

Thanks Kieth I will give him a call.

[Essex502]

Typically mileage will increase with the EZ modules. 10% is the average. The Juice on that truck is a different story. Usually stays the same.



Any specials on the EZ modules?

[kevnmcd]

Juice/Attitude $625

What is the price for the Evolution?

[STV_Keith]

Discounted pricing:

Essex502, $375

Kevnmcd, $500

[kevnmcd]

Thanks, Keith. I will let you know if I decide to do it.

[red_n_vegas]

Keith whats the price for a 97 F350 7.3? for the edge

[STV_Keith]

Red, for the EZ it would be $250. The Evolution programmer would be another option, but I'll have to get you a price Monday at work.

[Rude]

I am mostly looking at it for increased mileage and towing capabilities.

ok, i know that's what you told the mrs. to get permission to buy it but we know the REAL story :D

[kevnmcd]

ok, i know that's what you told the mrs. to get permission to buy it but we know the REAL story :D

The real story is I rule the house and finances and I do what I want with the money I earn! :Bolt:

[Rude]

it's a good thing YOUR better half doesn't visit these boards :)

[kevnmcd]

it's a good thing YOUR better half doesn't visit these boards :)

Yep! :D

[Ultra_Stealth]

All you diesel owners should have a programmer/chip. The power is insane. I was driving my buddies Chevy diesel 2500 and it was sideways shifting into 2nd gear. :D It is incredible, for such a big truck. There were 3 settings, one for towing but I recommend an exhaust temp gauge if you choose to tow with it.

[kevnmcd]

I was driving my buddies Chevy diesel 2500 and it was sideways shifting into 2nd gear.

That is one of the things holding me back. I don't need any more temptations! I get in enough trouble as it is. :smashfreak:

I was living on borrowed time when I had the Cobra...that is one of the reasons I gave it to PH! :lookaround: That and I knew the motor was going to blow anytime! :wow: :thumb:

[Ultra_Stealth]

That is one of the things holding me back. I don't need any more temptations! I get in enough trouble as it is. :smashfreak:

I was living on borrowed time when I had the Cobra...that is one of the reasons I gave it to PH! :lookaround: That and I knew the motor was going to blow anytime! :wow: :thumb:


Oh yeah, me too. The funny thing was is he only had it on the 2nd setting, like 85 hp. I hate to see what the 100+ hp can do? :eek3:

[Ultra_Stealth]

I was living on borrowed time when I had the Cobra...that is one of the reasons I gave it to PH! :lookaround: That and I knew the motor was going to blow anytime! :wow: :thumb:


:rollinglaugh: :rollinglaugh: :smashfreak:

[kevnmcd]

I hate to see what the 100+ hp can do? :eek3:

SICK! :insane:

[kevnmcd]

:rollinglaugh: :rollinglaugh: :smashfreak:

I hope that PH laughs when he sees this too! :D I am sure he knows I was only joking. :lookaround:

[roln 20s]

I'm thinking hard about getting the new AFE Stage 2 Intake and the Edge Evolution - Can I reasonably assume noticable mileage increase?

Roln 20s

[PUMP 'HER']

I hope that PH laughs when he sees this too! :D I am sure he knows I was only joking. :lookaround:

:cussing: :furious: :glare: :up_yours: :asshole: :D

Still love the car. :biggrinbounce2:

[Essex502]

My hat is off to Keith...I ordered the EZD1000D yesterday about 11:00 AM and not only did he ship it less sales tax and no charge for shipping - damn...it arrived here in SoCal today!

Good job Keith! Can't wait to see if it makes a difference in my mileage (I'm not out for more HP guys!)

[STV_Keith]

I'm thinking hard about getting the new AFE Stage 2 Intake and the Edge Evolution - Can I reasonably assume noticable mileage increase?

Roln 20s

The AFE will do little to nothing for you...the power and mileage all come from the fueling and timing mods in the Evolution/Juice-Attitude/EZ boxes.

[Ultra_Stealth]

I'm thinking hard about getting the new AFE Stage 2 Intake and the Edge Evolution - Can I reasonably assume noticable mileage increase?

Roln 20s

Pat,
My buddy has the Predator programmer and he has noticed a significant increase in the MPG, as long as he isn't stomping on the gas. We were talking about the AFE Stage 1 intake last night and he said the mass air sensor went out due to the oil on the filter. A lot of people that used the stage 2 said they didn't see and performance/hp gain and they say stock is the best. If you do go with the stage two get the Proguard 7 filter. Again, this is all just what he has experienced. Good luck!

[kevnmcd]

My hat is off to Keith...I ordered the EZD1000D yesterday about 11:00 AM and not only did he ship it less sales tax and no charge for shipping - damn...it arrived here in SoCal today!

Good job Keith! Can't wait to see if it makes a difference in my mileage (I'm not out for more HP guys!)

WTG, Keith!

Mike - Let us know how it works. I would really like to get something that would help with the mileage cuz I am like you....not out for the hp gains. :D I am currently driving about 600-700 miles a week for work, so the mileage gains are looking good right now.

[Ultra_Stealth]

Good job Keith! Can't wait to see if it makes a difference in my mileage (I'm not out for more HP guys!)

You might as well use it if you got it! :D It should help the MPG.

[Essex502]

WTG, Keith!

Mike - Let us know how it works. I would really like to get something that would help with the mileage cuz I am like you....not out for the hp gains. :D I am currently driving about 600-700 miles a week for work, so the mileage gains are looking good right now.


I sure will. I am bringing the truck back from Havasu this weekend so I can take it to Bishop next weekend for fishing. Will be putting 1200 miles of prolonged highway driving on it over the next few weeks. Should be a could test. My baseline is 18.0 +/-0.2 for sustained 70 or less on the highway with my setup. The 4:10 rear gear doesn't help me on the highway!

[roln 20s]

Pat,
My buddy has the Predator programmer and he has noticed a significant increase in the MPG, as long as he isn't stomping on the gas. We were talking about the AFE Stage 1 intake last night and he said the mass air sensor went out due to the oil on the filter. A lot of people that used the stage 2 said they didn't see and performance/hp gain and they say stock is the best. If you do go with the stage two get the Proguard 7 filter. Again, this is all just what he has experienced. Good luck!

Thanks for this info - I plan on getting the AFE Stage 2 with Proguard 7 as you mentioned. I already have a 5" Gibson Turbo Back exhaust, so this Edge box and air filter should finish off the package.

Roln 20s

[Ultra_Stealth]

Thanks for this info - I plan on getting the AFE Stage 2 with Proguard 7 as you mentioned. I already have a 5" Gibson Turbo Back exhaust, so this Edge box and air filter should finish off the package.

Roln 20s

No problem. You should be happy with the setup.

[Essex502]

Thanks for this info - I plan on getting the AFE Stage 2 with Proguard 7 as you mentioned. I already have a 5" Gibson Turbo Back exhaust, so this Edge box and air filter should finish off the package.

Roln 20s

I thought you were saving for the F29...whad'a'ya spending good dough on the truck upgrades for? :D

[roln 20s]

I thought you were saving for the F29...whad'a'ya spending good dough on the truck upgrades for? :D

If I can get a real gas mileage increase of 3mpg as many have reported, it will be worth the money in less than a year since I drive about 36-40K per year.

I am saving for an F29, so far I have all of $10, need about $199,990 more :D :headshake:

Roln 20s

[Essex502]

Back with preliminary mileage results from the EZ box installed...

My usual fuel mileage in my 2005 Dodge RAM 2500 with the Cummins Turbo Diesel has been about 18.0 when I keep highway speeds at or below 70 mph. I figure this is mostly due to the 4.10 gear in the rear keeping the revs up. I have read about and heard from others with a smaller gear that they have gotten up to 20 mpg.

So..I put the Edge EZ on the truck. It took about 5 minutes of real work and 10 to find one of the connectors that was somewhat hidden below a wire bundle. Once installed and set to "1" (lowest setting - recommeded by the manual for best mileage) I fired the truck up and drove it. Felt about the same but I don't really hot rod the truck. Then set the box to "3" or for a claimed increase of 75 HP and I certainly noticed the difference when I got on it.

So we loaded up the truck and drove it back to California for my upcoming trip to Bishop this weekend. I left the box set to "1" again and filled up just before entering I-40 at the 95 for the trip back from Havasu. I tried to keep the highway speed at 75 (5 mph above my usual miserly 70) and only had a couple of bursts above 75 on the drive. We logged about 285 miles from the I-40 junction down to the I-15 down to Palmdale Blvd and across Pearblossom Highway and onto the I-14 and back to home. Mileage according to the overhead display was 19.2 mpg. This is substantially better as I was: 1) Driving faster than the normal for the trip and 2) An indicated 1.2 miles better than average. Also, I was carrying 400 pounds of softener salt, heavy roll-around floor jack and about another 100+ pounds of stuff. Needless to say I was happy with the results so far.

My opinion...this box works. I haven't correlated the results by actual fill-up at the diesel pump which I'll do before leaving for Bishop. Also, I have good numbers from last year's fishing trip to compare with this year's so after another 600 miles I expect I'll have really good comparison figures.

So...installation is incredibly easy and the results are good. Will it pay for itself? Not for a long time for me as I put maybe 5,000 miles per year on the truck. But...it will pay for itself over the life of the truck and will be putting green in my pocket once it does.

[kevnmcd]

An increase in mileage at a higher speed. Not too bad. You should do a test at the same speed and see how it comes out. Make sure to give us an update after your Bishop trip.

[STV_Keith]

Just remember to check it by the fill up. The adjustments are made after the computer, so the overhead will be somewhat optomistic.

[Essex502]

That's what I want to confirm. I'll fill it up just before the trip and see.

[Essex502]

More detailed results...

At the end of April I made my annual trek to Bishop for the Opening Day of Trout Season festivities.

First tank of fuel...

Filled in Torrance and drove to Bishop, then up the hill to Lake Crowley (substantial elevation change), back to Bishop, back to Crowley and then finally back to Bishop. The indicated mileage on the overhead console was 19.2 MPG. Miles traveled were 426.2 and fuel used was 26.555 gallons. That works out to an actual mileage of 16.06 MPG. This is substantially less than indicated or a delta of more than 3 MPG.

From Bishop back to Valencia...

Filled in Bishop and then refuel immediately on arrival at home. Indicated mileage on the overhead was 21.4 MPG. Miles driven were 255.6 and the actual fuel used was 14.162 gallons which works out to 18.05 MPG. Again for a delta of more than 3 MPG. Driving was mainly done at 75-80 on the way back which is primarily downhill from Bishop to Mohave. I did drive somewhat faster on the return than usual but in the past the indicated MPG was about 19.0 when kept to 70 MPH. Slightly better than 18 MPG at 75-80 is nice but not really impressive.

Lastly the return to Havasu for the truck...

To attempt to understand the effect of the EZ box, I disconnected it - returning the truck to stock. Full tank in Valencia and drove to the Chevron/Terribles at the I-40 and 95 junction. Indicated mileage on the console was 17.9. Actual fuel used was 15.926 gallons which calcs to 17.82 MPG. Notice that the actual correlated very closely to the actual. I kept the truck around 75 MPH most of the trip on I-40 but the trip across from Palmdale to Victorville was marred with traffic that kept speeds below 65 for the 45 or so miles.

Recap...

The jury is out whether or not the Edge EZ box actually adds much benefit for mileage on this truck. At freeway speeds there seems to be a little benefit but the real effect is that the box throws off the trucks calculation for its indicated MPG on the overhead console. This definitely leads you to a false impression that there are substantial gains when there doesn't seem to be much gain.

There is definitely a performance boost but mileage wouldn't be a good reason to purchase this box unless you drive a LOT more miles than I do with this truck. I have only 13K miles in over 2 years on it.

Note...since the above isn't very scientific - your mileage will vary.

[STV_Keith]

Have you tried different power levels? My dad found the best mileage in power setting #2. Every truck is different in what it wants.

[panic button]

Keith-

How much for a cat back exhaust 4" or 5" for a Ford 6.0L, crew cab, long bed?

[sandman0_0]

I just installed the Edge Juice with attitude on my Dodge. I havn't had a chance to test drive it much or pull the boat. But what little I did drive it is a big difference. The unit has very easy to follow installation insrtuctions, Everything fits perfect. I took my time and installed it after work nights and had it done in three short nights. Just a couple hours each. Im sure it could be done alot faster if you just buckled down and went to town on it. I put on a 5" turbo back exhaust and BHA airfilter last fall so I think I'm good for now. I'm sure anyoneone that buys the unit will be very happy with the ease of installation and the preformance.

[Essex502]

Have you tried different power levels? My dad found the best mileage in power setting #2. Every truck is different in what it wants.

Actually Keith I have not yet done much driving at anything but the #1 setting. I was a little concerned as I don't have a pyro on the truck yet and with the very hot weather in Havasu I didn't want to chance it. Since the truck won't be driven any long distance for quite some time I think I'll probably wait to try this.

Don't get me wrong...this is a great addition for very little dough and virtually no effort to install. I think there is some small increase but due to the several weeks between long distance tests I can't quantify the results yet. I do know it skews the overhead console mileage display by about 3 MPG.

[STV_Keith]

PB, $399 shipped.

Essex502, no prob. For cruising driving, also try setting 3. The only time I'd be concerned is if you were towing without gauges. With just the truck, I wouldn't be scared to run it hard in any level the EZ offers.

It will definitely skew the overhead numbers, as I said before. The box manipulates what the computer thinks is going on to get a desired result. The product of that is that the onboard computer doesn't really know how much TRUE fuel pressure is in the rail, therefore can't compensate the overhead for it.

[Essex502]

Essex502, no prob. For cruising driving, also try setting 3. The only time I'd be concerned is if you were towing without gauges. With just the truck, I wouldn't be scared to run it hard in any level the EZ offers.

It will definitely skew the overhead numbers, as I said before. The box manipulates what the computer thinks is going on to get a desired result. The product of that is that the onboard computer doesn't really know how much TRUE fuel pressure is in the rail, therefore can't compensate the overhead for it.

Good to know Keith. It would be far simpler had Daimler-Chrysler used a real flowmeter instead of guessing! When I get back to LHC I'll plug it back in and do some experimentation.

[STV_Keith]

Well, if the truck is stock, they know from their testing that xRPM at yLOAD for zTIME = fuel used. When we change the fuel delivery, that formula goes out the window.

[Essex502]

Yep...you're right...to the tune of a 3 MPG HIGH reading! :D

[Essex502]

Last post on this....

My annual trip to Bishop and Lake Crowley for Opening Day say a mileage on the truck of 17.06. This was achieved using the #2 setting on the Edge EZ box. Speed was kept at 75 or below for the entire trip. Total mileage driven = 675.80 and fuel used = 39.612 gallons.

Final conclusion: There doesn't seem to be much difference in fuel consumption between the #1 and #2 setting at steady state highway speeds on this vehicle when the speed is kept to under 75 MPH. The overhead console was even more skewed from actual - displaying about 4 MPG more than actual. Makes you feel good but isn't really much mileage difference between the Edge EZ and stock. Seat of the pants power is definitely felt but I wouldn't recommend this box alone for those looking to increase the mileage of their vehicles.

[STV_Keith]

For some trucks, Edge now has a "Mileage Max" box, which is similar to the EZ. Never tested one myself, but it is out there.

[Essex502]

For some trucks, Edge now has a "Mileage Max" box, which is similar to the EZ. Never tested one myself, but it is out there.

Unless they allow a trade-in upgrade or exchange I don't think I'd be interested without some kind of documentation that describes the vehicle tested and the verified results. Their website claims UP TO 7% gain. It's that "up to" that always gets me!

[Essex502]

Keith - I talked to Edge Products yesterday and according to their tech support the Mileage Max product probably won't do any better for my application than the EZ. They did offer to reflash my EZ to update the software to the latest version and I will be taking them up on it.