Mastercraft or Howard?

[roln 20s]

Totally kidding about this, but can you believe the price of this beast. Absolutely rediculous $105,392.00 (not a misprint)

Here's some pics and a link to boattraderonline:

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/2/4/67590024.htm

http://images.traderonline.com/img/dealer/arizona_master/arizona_master101399_1.jpg

http://images.traderonline.com/img/dealer/arizona_master/arizona_master101399_2.jpg

http://images.traderonline.com/img/dealer/arizona_master/arizona_master101399_3.jpg

No wonder everyone adds a tower to their boat--and says "wakeboard edition." This market is out of control. To shed more light on this--our top of the line Malibu in 1995 listed at 27K, we paid 22K--today the new version equivalent of our boat is 44K without a tower, around 50K with tower, speakers, etc...

This stuff just blows my mind.

Roln 20s

[titties and beer]

I ALMOST ASKED ARE YOU F**KING NUTS ,get a jet ski http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[Essex502]

The prices they charge for production boats with their tacky plastic are ridiculous. Our custom boats - especially a Howard are works of boat making art.

[dicudmore]

no doubt....
I didn't feel bad after writing a 60k+ check for my boat when I saw a 23' ski centurion tested in powerboat for MORE $$$

[Essex502]

Who's making the 450HP GM motor that's in the Mastercraft? It's apparently a 496 based design but not Merc. Volvo? Some other builder? Mastercraft itself?

Does Mastercraft measure the length of their boat with the swimstep...otherwise how could that be a 28' boat?http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif?http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif?

[Havasu Dreamin]

I think Indmar does a lot, if not all, of the motors in the tournament type boats.

That thing is <span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>FUGLY!</span> http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/insane.gif And $105k! To go 45 mph! WTF!?!?!?!?! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/stare.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/insane.gif

[dicudmore]

Scott, very well said.....

uh, I'll pass

[roln 20s]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Who's making the 450HP GM motor that's in the Mastercraft? [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I think HD is right on it- I believe Indmar is running that industry. I know the Malibu 335hp monsoon that pushes 95% of Malibu's is a Indmar product.

I actually believe that boat is 28 feet WITHOUT the deck-- any ski boat with a removable deck doesn't include that in the length. This thing is Fugly and HUGE, and actually, when seeing one at the boat show- its not that user friendly.

HD- I think even that 45mph may be a stretch http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif



</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">no doubt....
I didn't feel bad after writing a 60k+ check for my boat when I saw a 23' ski centurion tested in powerboat for MORE $$$[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

You are so right- I'll write a big check to Howard and feel great about myself.

The only thing I can say- I toured Malibu's factory-what a precise boat--every piece is made on a CAD/CNC machine, even the carpet for the entire boat is one piece cut on a CAD machine. I think they make a great product, all in gel graphics (unlike the one stripe on Mastercrap with 4 stickers), but I won't defend their high prices, but when compared to Mastercraft and nautique- what a value, not to mention Tow Boat of the Year 9 of last 11 years. The ski boat industry has to be one of the most profitable.

Roln 20s

[Essex502]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (roln 20s @ June 10 2004, 2:29 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Who's making the 450HP GM motor that's in the Mastercraft? [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I think HD is right on it- I believe Indmar is running that industry. Â*I know the Malibu 335hp monsoon that pushes 95% of Malibu's is a Indmar product.

I actually believe that boat is 28 feet WITHOUT the deck-- any ski boat with a removable deck doesn't include that in the length. Â*This thing is Fugly and HUGE, and actually, when seeing one at the boat show- its not that user friendly.

HD- I think even that 45mph may be a stretch http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif



</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">no doubt....
I didn't feel bad after writing a 60k+ check for my boat when I saw a 23' ski centurion tested in powerboat for MORE $$$[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

You are so right- I'll write a big check to Howard and feel great about myself.

The only thing I can say- I toured Malibu's factory-what a precise boat--every piece is made on a CAD/CNC machine, even the carpet for the entire boat is one piece cut on a CAD machine. Â*I think they make a great product, all in gel graphics (unlike the one stripe on Mastercrap with 4 stickers), but I won't defend their high prices, but when compared to Mastercraft and nautique- what a value, not to mention Tow Boat of the Year 9 of last 11 years. Â*The ski boat industry has to be one of the most profitable.

Roln 20s[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Patrick...just to clarify:

CAD = Computer Aided Design
CAM = Computer Aided Manufacturing
CAE = Computer Aided Engineering

CAD is for designing the product and CAM is for manufacturing it such as CNC milling, drilling, Multi-axis machine control, Laser and water jet cutters, etc. With all that automation they should be selling their production cheaper than a manufacturer that's less automated and has higher labor costs.

[Havasu Dreamin]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (roln 20s @ June 10 2004, 2:29 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The ski boat industry has to be one of the most profitable.

Roln 20s[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The boat industry is one of the most porfitible. After the gas companies of course!

[Essex502]

Most recreational oriented companies make good coin as recreational expenditures are usually from disposable income. I can't believe the prices some folks pay for what I consider total crap...Rap albums for example! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kevnmcd]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Essex502 @ June 10 2004, 2:50 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I can't believe the prices some folks pay for what I consider total crap...Rap albums for example! Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
What is wrong with Rap albums? http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ohboy.gif They make great frisbies....man do they fly! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[roln 20s]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Patrick...just to clarify:

CAD = Computer Aided Design
CAM = Computer Aided Manufacturing
CAE = Computer Aided Engineering

CAD is for designing the product and CAM is for manufacturing it such as CNC milling, drilling, Multi-axis machine control, Laser and water jet cutters, etc. With all that automation they should be selling their production cheaper than a manufacturer that's less automated and has higher labor costs.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

So, let me get this straight- they use a CAD to design their parts and then program their CNC machines to manufacture the product? See, you learn something every day http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

And their product is cheaper priced, but better made! I saw one of those "wet-jet" cutters on American Chopper- that thing is sick.

Roln 20s

[Essex502]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (roln 20s @ June 10 2004, 3:02 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So, let me get this straight- they use a CAD to design their parts and then program their CNC machines to manufacture the product? Â*See, you learn something every day http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yep...that's how it works...

For 3D work such as a hull or machined brackets a company will use something like Pro/ENGINEER, Autocad's Inventor, SolidWorks, Solidedge, CATIA, Unigraphics or some other less well known CAD software. Once the 3D electronic model is constructed it is passed either in its native format or a translated format to a CAM package such as MasterCAM, CAMAX or another package. Some of the higher end CAD software companies also make CAM software - PTC who wrote Pro/ENGINEER also has Pro/NC - same with Unigraphics. Once the 3D model is in the CAM software, toolpaths are created then those are saved as a NCL or Neutral Cutter Location file. That file is then post processed into what's called "G" code and that is what drives the actual machine tool.

Clear as mud? I support this stuff for a living.

[Havasu Dreamin]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Essex502 @ June 10 2004, 3:24 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I support this stuff for a living.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You work? Oh yeah, about as much as me! LMAO

[roln 20s]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Clear as mud? I support this stuff for a living.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Clear...definately. Questions: do you have any of the software and machines laying around I could use to start making some hardware for boats? http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif hehe How cool would that be!

Roln 20s

[Essex502]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (roln 20s @ June 10 2004, 3:42 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Clear as mud? I support this stuff for a living.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Clear...definately. Â*Questions: do you have any of the software and machines laying around I could use to start making some hardware for boats? http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif hehe How cool would that be! Â*

Roln 20s[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Nope. I have plenty of connections that have the software and CNC equipment that can make just about anything you can imagine. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[roln 20s]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nope. I have plenty of connections that have the software and CNC equipment that can make just about anything you can imagine. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I'll take it-- if they meet my price---FREE http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

BTW- you would have anything you want for free- I take care of my people-hehe http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Roln 20s

[Essex502]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (roln 20s @ June 11 2004, 09:10 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nope. I have plenty of connections that have the software and CNC equipment that can make just about anything you can imagine. Â*[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I'll take it-- if they meet my price---FREE Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

BTW- you would have anything you want for free- I take care of my people-hehe http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Roln 20s[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You misunderstand...you'd have to use it at their shop and they're all in L.A. area. I suppose you'd rather be on the water on the weekend instead of some ol' dirty machine shop. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[dicudmore]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Essex502 @ June 11 2004, 1:42 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I suppose you'd rather be on the water on the weekend instead of some ol' dirty machine shop. Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
as it should be http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[roln 20s]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I suppose you'd rather be on the water on the weekend instead of some ol' dirty machine shop.

[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

You are definately right on that one http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

BTW- I sent you a PM.

Roln 20s

[Hallett1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Havasu Dreamin @ June 10 2004, 2:11 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think Indmar does a lot, if not all, of the motors in the tournament type boats.

That thing is <span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>FUGLY!</span> Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/insane.gif Â*And $105k! To go 45 mph! WTF!?!?!?!?! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/stare.gif Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/insane.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I can break 50mph and did not even spend half that....