Dana Performance HP1000 Trim Tabs?

[KC_Nelson]

Does anyone have any experiance with the Dana Performance HP1000 Trim Tabs?

I got a good look at a set this weekend that were mounted on an Advantage 30', very good hinge design and a straight forward routing of hydraulic lines.

Can anyone built me a set that are 12" wide and 24" long, need the hinge but no hydraulics.... I want to set them up with a turnbuckle. Looks like 1/2 inch aluminum will do the job.

[Essex502]

Why would you want "fixed" trim planes? Just curious.

[KC_Nelson]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Essex502 @ Mar. 16 2004, 08:29 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why would you want "fixed" trim planes? Just curious.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I'm wondering about fixed planes...... I had placed a set of Bennits on the Eliminator and never hooked up the pumps, they did a great job of helping the boat to get onto plane, made the boat more stable in the rough chop..... what I'm getting at is that I never found a reason to adjust them.

I can see the benefits of adjustable planes, but is the adjustability really needed for the conditions at Havasu?

The Nordic does pretty well by itself and I have heard that it responds well to planes. Just wondering if making the boat longer and providing more lift would improve the efficiency of the hull. As I compare pictures of the Nordic to Kevin Eliminator, taken while running at Lake Powell - there is a significant difference in the stance and the wake. Yes they are very different boats and hulls, Kevins rides out of the water and the Nordic rides in the water with the bow high, even when the kids are in the bow. The Nordic rides really well as I tuck the drive under to get the bow down a bit, planes could help me get the bow down while keeping the drive in line with the hull.

[KC_Nelson]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Essex502 @ Mar. 16 2004, 08:29 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why would you want "fixed" trim planes? Just curious.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I want adjustable planes, but $3800 for K-Planes or $1800 for Dana Performance is steap. Probably cost about $400 to make a set of semi-fixed planes out of 1/2 inch aluminum plate and a stainless turnbuckle to provide limited adjustibility, adjust the planes for the weight of the boat with tanks 1/2 full and see how it works.... If I match the bolt pattern of the Dana Performance then I can always upgrade later.

I wish Dana Performance would sell me a set of planes without the pumps, those pumps are $600 each.

[Essex502]

Why not try to get replacement parts...i.e. everything but the pump from Dana?

[KC_Nelson]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Essex502 @ Mar. 16 2004, 10:41 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why not try to get replacement parts...i.e. everything but the pump from Dana?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
good thought, I asked if they would sell a set without the pumps - replacement parts is another avenue.

Am I way off base in my thinking?

As I researched Trim Tabs for the Eliminator, I liked the Bennits because of the price, dual rams on the sport tabs, and thier auto leveling system that is controlled by a small gymbal - too small for the Nordic. I would prefer to drive the boat rather than constantly adjust the boat, too much to think about.

[kevnmcd]

Don't want to start anything here, but you should have stayed with Eliminator! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[KC_Nelson]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kevnmcd @ Mar. 16 2004, 2:21 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Don't want to start anything here, but you should have stayed with Eliminator! Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
slut, slut, slut.....

you would sell your mother to pay for your internet service just so you could post - good thing the internet does not involve needles, then you would be a certified junky

[kevnmcd]

maybe! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KC_Nelson]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC_Nelson @ Mar. 16 2004, 3:18 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kevnmcd @ Mar. 16 2004, 2:21 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Don't want to start anything here, but you should have stayed with Eliminator! Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
slut, slut, slut.....

you would sell your mother to pay for your internet service just so you could post - good thing the internet does not involve needles, then you would be a certified junky[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
and your wife and your children....

[kevnmcd]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC_Nelson @ Mar. 16 2004, 2:23 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC_Nelson @ Mar. 16 2004, 3:18 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Don't want to start anything here, but you should have stayed with Eliminator! Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif<span id='postcolor'>
slut, slut, slut.....

you would sell your mother to pay for your internet service just so you could post - good thing the internet does not involve needles, then you would be a certified junky[/quote]
and your wife and your children....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
on some days....yes! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif But not today! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[dicudmore]

I have the Dana 1000 tabs on my Cheetah....
NO you can't steal them off the back....
They work well. Why not learn to drive the boat w/the tabs adjustable?? Or set them and leave them but have the adjustment when needed

[Essex502]

I would imagine the tabs come in pretty handy if the boat is taken into the "big salty". Might be worth the investment if you plan on taking it out in the ocean again.

[KC_Nelson]

Went to the Orange County boat Show this past weekend, got a good look at a few boats with the HP1000 on them. Very pretty! Now if I win the lotto......

[Havasu Dreamin]

I only ask this because I truly do not know if this is true, but my understanding was that you only needed tabs to either off-set the weight from side-to-side, for use in BIG water or to make up for a poorly performing/designed hull. Is this true? Not trying to start anything just trying to gain some more knowledge.

[KC_Nelson]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Havasu Dreamin @ April 05 2004, 12:00 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I only ask this because I truly do not know if this is true, but my understanding was that you only needed tabs to either off-set the weight from side-to-side, for use in BIG water or to make up for a poorly performing/designed hull. Is this true? Not trying to start anything just trying to gain some more knowledge.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I'll get right to the point so that nobody has to point it out...

Eliminator that runs = efficient hull design
Nordic = runs all the time regardless of hull design

Tabs can help side to side as long as your moving at speed. IMHO, better to balance your fuel consumption since you do not want to go through the hassle of trying o place an un-balanced boat onto the trailer. Tabs can help your boat to get onto plane faster and more efficiently, can make the boat feel longer by placing more of the bow into rough water.

Bennet has a great website describing the benefits of tabs.

[THOR]

Realistically, you will only needs tabs if:

1) you have an unbalanced load from left to right in your boat

or

2) you are running at high speeds (over 70mph) where your hull will tend to 'walk'

other than that, dont bother.

I got the Dana 1000s on my new ride because I will be traveling over 70 and I'll need them.

My old Eliminator that 'ran all the time', had them and I rarely used them. It actually slows the boat down in order to make a safer ride because they are forcing part of the hull into the water.

[Havasu Dreamin]

Thanks for the info.

We didn't get tabs on the Alandra since it so damn heavy and we will not be going over 70. Also, Essex said they would not be comfortable selling them to us as the boat does not need them, even to get on plane.

[THOR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Havasu Dreamin @ April 05 2004, 3:18 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Thanks for the info.

We didn't get tabs on the Alandra since it so damn heavy and we will not be going over 70. Also, Essex said they would not be comfortable selling them to us as the boat does not need them, even to get on plane.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Exactly HD, you probably wont need them. I got mine 'just in case'. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Essex502]

They also help to lower the planing speed of a boat - i.e. to maintain the boat "on-plane" at a lower speed than the same boat without the planes. Also used to compensate for loading from right to left. I've read where the help the side-to-side attitude of the boat when in the ocean when the "seas" are coming from an angle.

[PUMP 'HER']

I originally posted some crap about McD here but then realized in my rush to add another post to my count you guys had gone back to the real topic at hand and my rubbish was just that rubbish. Sorry. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Essex502]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PUMP 'HER' @ April 06 2004, 7:13 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I originally posted some crap about McD here but then realized in my rush to add another post to my count you guys had gone back to the real topic at hand and my rubbish was just that rubbish. Â*Sorry. Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
More rubbish? http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif