Prop testing results on the 25 Tremor

[Rivercrazy]

I spent some time testing a few prop's on our 25 Tremor. Temps were in the high 80's at the river on Saturday (wow was it nice!http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif). The results were obtained with a Garmin GPS and the 496HO just got its 100 hour service. Just me in the boat with a light overall load but 3/4 tank of gas. Mirror flat glass water conditions. Big thanks out to Maveric Marine for letting me borrow some props. And I must say that York Propellors does incrediable work on their lab finishes......

The results were:

23P Rev-4 (Box stock but fixed by York after I messed it up quite a bit once!http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif. Speed @ 3K rpm = 38.2mph. Speed @ 3.5K rpm = 47mph. Speed @ 4K rpm = 55mph. Top speed 71.2 mph @ 5,150 rpm. Impressions: Great all around prop for this boat. Strong holeshot, midrange accel, and great overall efficiency. No blow out in turns. I now know why Shockwave highly recommends this prop for this boat. I would be curious to see how it would do brand new and labbed by York Props!

25P Mirage Plus (Labbed by York). Speed @ 3K rpm = 38.5 mph. Speed @ 3.5K rpm = 48mph. Speed @ 4K rpm = 55 mph. Top speed 72.1 @ 4.9K rpm. Impressions: A bit sluggish rolling over and vents a bit in the turns. But quite strong midrange accel and better top end than the Rev-4. But not great for carrying loads or skiing. Spins the motor up easier and seems to produce less stress on the outdrive.

24P Bravo 1 (Labbed by York). Speed @ 3K rpm = 36.5 mph. Speed @ 3.5K rpm = 44 mph. Speed @ 4K rpm = 50mph. Top speed 72.8mph @ 5,150 rpm. Impressions: This prop really surprised me. I thought the midrange cruising rpm would be better than the Rev-4 due to its 24P versus 23P. Seems like the Bravo 1 is light on pitch or just not as efficient in the mid range. The prop didn't roll the boat over quite as quick as the 23P rev-4 but it was OK in that department. However, it produced the best top end speeds and midrange accel was probably the best of all these props except the 21P Rev-4. The Bravo 1 produced a slight porpous at high speeds but nothing significant.

21P Rev-4 (Ski Wheel). Didn't do speed testing on this prop. But the holeshot and midrange is brutal! No blow out at all.....Hits the rev limiter pretty easily but that is expected. Single purpose back up and ski wheel prop....

Overall I was really impressed. Given the fact that the 25 Tremor is probably the largest and one of the heavier 25's on the market on the west coast, I strongly believe performance is underrated. The bottom design is very efficient and the boat holds its own versus other similar sized boats or is superior! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kevnmcd]

RC - I run a 24p Bravo 1 and am very happy with it. Glad to see that that was the one that gave you the best top speed. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Are you going to keep all of them? If not, which one are you going to go with? I hear that Beer Hunter could use a few more MPH...maybe he should try the Bravo 1. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Rivercrazy]

I borrowed the Bravo 1 so I will have to shell out some bucks if I want it.....

I think I will sell the labbed 25P Mirage Plus. Its in outstanding condition. Anyone interested? http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kevnmcd]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rivercrazy @ Mar. 15 2004, 09:46 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think I will sell the labbed 25P Mirage Plus. Â*Its in outstanding condition. Â*Anyone interested? Â* http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
After your evaluation report.....I will pass. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">25P Mirage Plus (Labbed by York). Speed @ 3K rpm = 38.5 mph. Speed @ 3.5K rpm = 48mph. Speed @ 4K rpm = 55 mph. Top speed 72.1 @ 4.9K rpm. Impressions: A bit sluggish rolling over and vents a bit in the turns. But quite strong midrange accel and better top end than the Rev-4. But not great for carrying loads or skiing. Spins the motor up easier and seems to produce less stress on the outdrive.
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[Rivercrazy]

I just think my boat is too heavy and large for a single 3 blade.

[kevnmcd]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rivercrazy @ Mar. 15 2004, 10:23 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I just think my boat is too heavy and large for a single 3 blade.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
True....might work great for a 21-22' though. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Anyone? http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[Essex502]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rivercrazy @ Mar. 15 2004, 11:46 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I borrowed the Bravo 1 so I will have to shell out some bucks if I want it.....

I think I will sell the labbed 25P Mirage Plus. Â*Its in outstanding condition. Â*Anyone interested? Â* http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Wanna' trade for a 1 day on the lake 24P Bravo1?

[beer hunter]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kevnmcd @ Mar. 15 2004, 12:24 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rivercrazy @ Mar. 15 2004, 10:23 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I just think my boat is too heavy and large for a single 3 blade.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
True....might work great for a 21-22' though. Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Â* Anyone? Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
.......Or a light weight/very small/flimsy 25'er http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Rivercrazy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Essex502 @ Mar. 15 2004, 12:35 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rivercrazy @ Mar. 15 2004, 11:46 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I borrowed the Bravo 1 so I will have to shell out some bucks if I want it.....

I think I will sell the labbed 25P Mirage Plus. Â*Its in outstanding condition. Â*Anyone interested? Â* http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Wanna' trade for a 1 day on the lake 24P Bravo1?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Actually that sounds like an interesting proposition. Is that a box stock 24P bravo 1?

[Essex502]

Box stock. Tried it on my boat and though it has tremendous out of the hole punch and excellent mid-range it just feels strange on the top end...The 25P Mirage Plus I ran on Saturday was bumping the rev limiter again at 5100 RPM with 3 full size adults, full tanks and a full boat load of stuff. I need to put a 25 on it to see if that's the answer.

[Rivercrazy]

Did you try a 23P or 25P 3 blade?

I tried mine before and after the lab job. It had much better accel and about 3mph better top end afterward.

[Essex502]

The boat came with a 23P Mirage Plus and that has been the best all around choice though it easily hits the rev limiter. I need to test with a 25P Mirage Plus to see how easily I can spin that. With the recent results with the 24P Bravo I it shouldn't have any problems spinning the 25P but I'm curious about the loss of low end.

[Rivercrazy]

Let me think about giving it up overnight and I'll let cha know tomorrow? Sound cool? http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Essex502]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rivercrazy @ Mar. 15 2004, 4:25 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Let me think about giving it up overnight and I'll let cha know tomorrow? Â*Sound cool? Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Cool. Are you going to be in LHC for the 27/28 party?

[Rivercrazy]

RIght now its not looking good for me that weekend.... http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

But I see you live in Santa Clarita? I work over here in Sherman Oaks so meeting up shouldn't be too much trouble if we proceed

[Essex502]

Cool. Yup...live in SC and drive to Torrance every GD day to the office.

[Rivercrazy]

I would be willing to swap the labbed 25P Mirage Plus for your 24P Bravo 1.

If that sounds acceptable just let me know. We can swap anytime your ready... http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Dr. Marg]

Hey 502, I'd sure like to try that 25P Mirage if you bring it out on the 27th and 28th. I maybe second in line for that prop if you're not interested.

[Dr. Marg]

Any comments or comparisons between York and BronsonHill? I just don't trust Byron Bronson's prop software. He told me after running his program at the LA Show that a 26 lab would only yield 69mph on my 496HO Bullet. I borrowed a nicked up 26 lab from Conquest and it ran 72. Is York located in Anaheim?

[Dr. Marg]

Hey Beerhunter! All your homework is done for ya! Now you can outrun Kevin! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif (unless of course he has that 24 Bravo1 labbed)

[Rivercrazy]

Didn't Hotboat or Powerboat test the 25 Bullet with a labbed prop and it got 73 with the 496HO?

I have not heard many good things about props coming out of Bronson Hill.

I would highly recommend York. In my experience and with many others I know, he does outstanding work. I've also heard from a pretty bonefide source that his lab jobs produce better results than factory Merc Labs.

They are in Fullerton off the 57 freeway and 91.

[beer hunter]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rivercrazy @ Mar. 19 2004, 09:39 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have not heard many good things about props coming out of Bronson Hill.

I would highly recommend York. Â*In my experience and with many others I know, he does outstanding work. Â*I've also heard from a pretty bonefide source that his lab jobs produce better results than factory Merc Labs.

They are in Fullerton off the 57 freeway and 91.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thank for the tip RC, I need a spare prop and will probably go with a labbed 24" or 26" Bravo this Spring/Summer. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[kevnmcd]

Throttle Up (a board member here) does some great stuff, as well. They are in Florida. Beach Bum used them to rework his on his Daytona and had nothing but good things to say about the results. If I remember correctly....he got 3-4 mph out of it, as well! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[Dr. Marg]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (beer hunter @ Mar. 19 2004, 1:57 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I need a spare prop and will probably go with a labbed 24" or 26" Bravo this Spring/Summer. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hey BH, I'm in the process of getting the right prop favoring top end
for my boat. Your welcome to try it out when I get it. Based on everything I've tried and have been told, I'm thinking a 25 or 26 lab will probably be it. Prop selection is not cut and dry. What works best on one boat, given the same power, may not necessarily be right for another.

Rivercrazy, Thanks for the info dude! I'm very excited about giving York a call. I just don't have the confidence in Bronson Hill. One of the 25 Bullets tested was mine. Hotboat used a radar gun and clocked my boat at 73.5 with Howard's Mercury 25 lab. I'm currently running a 24 Bravo 1 that's had a little work done on it. Just prior to the test, under similar conditions, using the same prop I only saw 71.5 on my GPS. I think I get can get it to 73.5 GPS with the right prop under cool, choppy conditions. I noticed you tested your props under flat conditions. I think you'll do even better when there's less friction on the hull.

[dicudmore]

Highly recommend York as well. They re-worked the prop on my buddies Hallett Vector, tried it last weekend and its like a whole different boat. Granted the prop was not the only change on the boat since the last trip but it was radically better out of the hole, (way less throttle to roll over) and picked up several miles an hour on the top end. 4-blade bravo one, stamped 27p but that doesn't seem to jive. Typically 4 blades are even #'s are they not?

[Essex502]

I thought all of the Bravo 1 props were even numbers and the Mirage Plus were odd numbers.

[beer hunter]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Essex502 @ Mar. 19 2004, 1:14 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I thought all of the Bravo 1 props were even numbers and the Mirage Plus were odd numbers.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That was my understanding too. It may have been tweaked to a 27" pitch and restamped http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Essex502]

I think too that the Bravo 1 props are slightly larger diameter as well. Large diameter usually means slower top speed. 4 blades are usually also slower than three blades. That's what I know about it.

[Rivercrazy]

Dr. Marg - I bet you see 74-75 with the right prop on your boat with good running conditions. From what I hear the 25 Bullet has a really fast bottom and that boat is bit smaller than the 25 Tremor. Does the Bullet have a delta pad? The Tremor is a 24 degree strait V. To me it makes sense that the Bullet would be a bit faster. Have you ever tried a Revolution 4? It would be an interesting test....

Essex502 has first crack at my labbed 25 Mirage Plus. But if the proposed prop trade falls out of bed, your welcome to have 2nd crack at it.

The only other prop I can think of that would be interesting to try from Merc is the Maximus 5 blade but I've heard they are not offering it in anything less than about a 28 pitch....

Anyone ever try other brands like Hydromotives, etc?

[Music to my Ears]

This may be a dumb question, but are you taking props to York and having them labbed, or buying props from York and and having them labbed? What kind of $$$ are we talking about? I would love to get a labbed 26 and use my 24 as a back-up. Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[Dr. Marg]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Essex502 @ Mar. 19 2004, 3:14 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I thought all of the Bravo 1 props were even numbers and the Mirage Plus were odd numbers.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Bravo 1 props are even numbered. Labs however can take a 26 inch pitch and rework them to essentially a 25 inch. From what I understand , they typically work them down from a larger pitch. I believe the 25 Mirage is no longer made according to Byron Bronson. No one currently makes a production 25 inch pitch prop (that's why I'm interested in River Crazy's).

Hey Music! How do you know you want a 26? I'm gonna get the scoop from York and ask them what the process is for obtaining the right prop favoring top end. I'll share the whole enchilada via a new thread.

[Dr. Marg]

more.....Mercury's maximus is a mystery to me. When you read their web hype, they claim it to have been developed for 496, HP500 and 525 applications. Yet they currently produce nothing smaller than a 28 pitch. The unofficial word I get is the prop diameters on the Maximus are too large and they do not work well. Otherwise, I think you'd see everyone jumping all over them. I'm going to attempt to get a hold of Dennis Cavanaugh (Merc's prop guru) and find out more.

The hot ticket I wanted to pursue is to find where Dennis will be doing on the water prop testing. Last fall, Merc was at Windsor Beach where ANYONE could come by for advice and test props on the spot! I look forward to contacting York as well....

[Music to my Ears]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Dr. Marg @ Mar. 19 2004, 9:55 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey Music! Â*How do you know you want a 26? Â*I'm gonna get the scoop from York and ask them what the process is for obtaining the right prop favoring top end. Â*I'll share the whole enchilada via a new thread.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hey Dr. M! I don't compeletly. KC (who also has a Heat) has both a 24 and 26. He says that he has less slip with the 26 and should have a bit more top end. We ran side by side last year a couple times and I was not pulling away from him out of the hole. I too would like to talk with York and figure something out. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Essex502]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rivercrazy @ Mar. 19 2004, 2:45 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dr. Marg - I bet you see 74-75 with the right prop on your boat with good running conditions. Â*From what I hear the 25 Bullet has a really fast bottom and that boat is bit smaller than the 25 Tremor. Â*Does the Bullet have a delta pad? Â*The Tremor is a 24 degree strait V. Â*To me it makes sense that the Bullet would be a bit faster. Â*Have you ever tried a Revolution 4? Â*It would be an interesting test....

Essex502 has first crack at my labbed 25 Mirage Plus. Â*But if the proposed prop trade falls out of bed, your welcome to have 2nd crack at it.

The only other prop I can think of that would be interesting to try from Merc is the Maximus 5 blade but I've heard they are not offering it in anything less than about a 28 pitch....

Anyone ever try other brands like Hydromotives, etc?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
When are you coming to Havasu so we can do some swapping and testing?

[Essex502]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Dr. Marg @ Mar. 19 2004, 9:55 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I believe the 25 Mirage is no longer made according to Byron Bronson. Â*No one currently makes a production 25 inch pitch prop (that's why I'm interested in River Crazy's).[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Mercury Marine's website still lists a 25P Mirage Plus as being available.

[Essex502]

I talked to Teague Marine today and they said the 25P Mirage Plus is still available though they didn't have one in stock.

[Dr. Marg]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Essex502 @ Mar. 20 2004, 1:45 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I talked to Teague Marine today and they said the 25P Mirage Plus is still available though they didn't have one in stock.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That's it..I'm done with Bronson! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[Dr. Marg]

Here's some info by GT from the Hot Boat Forum regarding the Maximus: "They are not going over so well. They made the diameter 15 5/8" which in my opinion is way too much prop for a single engine vee bottom under 30'. The original tested props were significantly smaller in diameter and they were lab finished. They worked very well."

[Dr. Marg]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Music to my Ears @ Mar. 20 2004, 08:50 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I too would like to talk with York and figure something out. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hey Music, Let's do our homework and compare notes. Check out the info I got from GT regarding the Maximus. I've heard good stuff from the guy Kevin recommended out of Florida. Rivercrazy's testing could be of some value to you since the Tremor is a relatively large boat...again, I think the hot call is the on the water Merc prop testing. I will call Cavanaugh this week.

[Music to my Ears]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Dr. Marg @ Mar. 21 2004, 1:33 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Music to my Ears @ Mar. 20 2004, 08:50 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I too would like to talk with York and figure something out. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hey Music, Let's do our homework and compare notes. Â*Check out the info I got from GT regarding the Maximus. Â*I've heard good stuff from the guy Kevin recommended out of Florida. Â*Rivercrazy's testing could be of some value to you since the Tremor is a relatively large boat...again, I think the hot call is the on the water Merc prop testing. Â*I will call Cavanaugh this week.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thanks Dr. M. We'll definetly hook up next weekend and chat. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Oh, and drink!!! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[Rivercrazy]

Essex, I can't make the river this weekend but if you want to meet up this week, you can borrow the prop for some testing this weekend (you ding it you bought it http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ).

Just let me know!

[Dr. Marg]

Talked to York today. They do not sell props, they make the one you own run better. After giving them my Bullet info, they suggested starting with a 26 Bravo 1, run it and report the results. They will either lab it to a 25 or 27 pitch to maximize whatever it is you want maximized. I just don't know if its worth running a $1000 prop that if nicked must be instantly repaired to avoid losing a blade. All for 2mph?

Here's where it gets interesting. I also called Hydromotive today and talked to a guy named Tom. He claims their 4 blade will outperform a stock Bravo 1. No labbing. York says that the best prop out there, without question, for a boat like mine is the Bravo1. My guess is that since York does not sell props, I'm getting unbiased info. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I think the answer is, like most do, run an all around unlabbed prop and when your into running and posting the highest number you can, throw on your high dollar lab.

[Essex502]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rivercrazy @ Mar. 22 2004, 10:40 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Essex, I can't make the river this weekend but if you want to meet up this week, you can borrow the prop for some testing this weekend (you ding it you bought it http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ).

Just let me know![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I think I'll wait a little until the water comes up a bit more! My luck in the last few outings has been pretty bad! Two outings = two dinged props!

When do you think you'll be out to LHC again?

[Rivercrazy]

That is the feeling I get from York as well. That guy is strait up.....

I think the other benefit to labbing is you will feel a difference in midrange acceleration. I know I could definately tell that the York labbed props pull harder....

As for dinging a prop I guess that is just eventually gonna happen to the best of us! Been there done that but not too badly so far (knock of wood). We just boated all the way to Laughlin from Needles with no mishaps....

Dr. Marg - that is pretty much what I do. I run my all around non-labbed prop once in a while and when the I get itchy, I slap on the labber. I don't run my lab when lots of people are along with us. I worry someone will kick the prop getting in and out of the boat and that wouldn't be a good thing.....

[Rivercrazy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Essex502 @ Mar. 22 2004, 1:20 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rivercrazy @ Mar. 22 2004, 10:40 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Essex, I can't make the river this weekend but if you want to meet up this week, you can borrow the prop for some testing this weekend (you ding it you bought it http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ).

Just let me know![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I think I'll wait a little until the water comes up a bit more! My luck in the last few outings has been pretty bad! Two outings = two dinged props!

When do you think you'll be out to LHC again?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Ouch bro! That sucks the big one for sure......

I know the levels are up alot of the past few weeks. We just got back over the weekend and ran all the way to Laughlin with no accidents...

If you want to borrow it and hang on to it until your comfortable running it, let me know.

When we go out there, we stay about 7 miles north of Needles so were pretty far apart.....

[Essex502]

Lemme' see if I can go for two days this weekend and not ding the 4 blade and I'll let you know next week. We're out there every two weeks like clockwork.

[Rivercrazy]

Cool deal

[NordicHeat]

I don't like to be there bearer of bad news but Mr. Cavanaugh passed away recently in an automobile accident.
A very, very large loss to the boating community http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

The ball was dropped on the Maximus prop and is still being perfected at this point.

Hydromotive has recently released their two new 5 blades; one for stern lift (P5) and one for bow lift (P5-X)

We have done some preliminary testing on a Nordic Heat with a P5-X and the results are very encouraging. It really appears to be a great match for this particular boat greatly helping it with some things that the hull and drive setup just doesn't allow it to do well.
Based on these findings I have ordered one for myself and will be testing it late April. I will post results.
Talk with Matt and Julie at ThrottleUp. The highest recommendation.

Sorry for the bad news about Dennis,
Dave

[KC_Nelson]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NordicHeat @ Mar. 22 2004, 2:20 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We have done some preliminary testing on a Nordic Heat with a P5-X and the results are very encouraging. It really appears to be a great match for this particular boat greatly helping it with some things that the hull and drive setup just doesn't allow it to do well.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Can you expand upon your comment of what the hull / outdrive can and can not do.....

On my 28 Heat I'm looking for more stern lift to combat the rougher waters at Havasu, I have some extra hardware in my boat but my arse is not that fat!

496HO pushing Bravo I 26p

[Essex502]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC_Nelson @ Mar. 22 2004, 1:03 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NordicHeat @ Mar. 22 2004, 2:20 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We have done some preliminary testing on a Nordic Heat with a P5-X and the results are very encouraging. It really appears to be a great match for this particular boat greatly helping it with some things that the hull and drive setup just doesn't allow it to do well.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Can you expand upon your comment of what the hull / outdrive can and can not do..... Â*

On my 28 Heat I'm looking for more stern lift to combat the rougher waters at Havasu, I have some extra hardware in my boat but my arse is not that fat!

496HO pushing Bravo I 26p[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
KC...he's got a "Blown 540" and prolly running a few miles per hours faster so his results may not be indicative of your boat unless similar power is applied. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Essex502]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NordicHeat @ Mar. 22 2004, 12:20 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't like to be there bearer of bad news but Mr. Cavanaugh passed away recently in an automobile accident.
A very, very large loss to the boating community http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

The ball was dropped on the Maximus prop and is still being perfected at this point.

Hydromotive has recently released their two new 5 blades; one for stern lift (P5) and one for bow lift (P5-X)

We have done some preliminary testing on a Nordic Heat with a P5-X and the results are very encouraging. It really appears to be a great match for this particular boat greatly helping it with some things that the hull and drive setup just doesn't allow it to do well.
Based on these findings I have ordered one for myself and will be testing it late April. I will post results.
Talk with Matt and Julie at ThrottleUp. The highest recommendation.

Sorry for the bad news about Dennis,
Dave[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
How does Hydromotive compare pricewise to Mercury props?

[NordicHeat]

Hey KC,
I know it all cost $$$ but maybe trim tabs would be a better choice for your issue. I tried a stern lifting 23� Rev 4 (when naturally aspirated) and it spun to 5600 and would throw the nose straight down and slip like crazy. Hydro Quad IV, same thing.
Til now it seems that best all around prop for the Heat has been a Bravo One but it has it’s downfalls.
I don’t know your setup but I have found that with any prop over a 26 Bravo, the Heat has a tremendous amount of prop slip at cruise. To the tune of ~28%. It also does not want to plane at much less than 30 mph. Lab finishing the Bravo has also shown to make matters worse in these departments.
This all seems to get much better if your running a 22� or 24� just because less pitch makes for better efficiency.
The initial GPS testing with a good friends Heat with a naturally aspirated 570 pshp motor and a Hydro 27� P5-X (equivalent to a 29 Bravo) has shown the ability to cruise at 43 @ 3000 rpm, 49 @ 3500rpm and stay on plane at 24 mph (with slight tab). His words were that the boat felt like a runabout with this prop. Very similar to his Rage (he’s a dealer)
Top end was interesting also. On this particular day and a good 1 foot chop, the 27 Hydro at 5050 rpm ran the same 74 mph top end as a 28 Bravo at 5200 rpm in back to back test. The next back to back test was on glass smooth water and the 28 Bravo lost 3-4 mph and the 27 5 blade ran the exact 74 mph.
This leads me to believe that the 5 blade is a great aid in getting this hull out of the water.
I ordered a 27 and plan on spinning it to around 5600 rpm. I am really curious to see how it runs out.

As Essex pointed out, the power and prop size will effect this greatly

I will make some very detailed test logs when I receive mine in 3-4 weeks and you can base your thought on those.
Hell, if I can gain 8-9 mph at cruise it may pay for itself in a season with my gas miser on Powell and Mead Â* http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Essex,
Matt and Julie were running a sale at $900 for the 5 blade. They’re $975 not on sale. They sell the Maximus also I’m not sure on the price.
Give them a call 1-877-842-6855

Sorry for invading the thread with Nordic talk http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/insane.gif

Later,
Dave

[Rivercrazy]

Keep it coming regardless of brand. This is good stuff to share!

I've always heard the Heats are rigged with a fairly high X dimension.

[KC_Nelson]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NordicHeat @ Mar. 22 2004, 4:54 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I know it all cost $$$ but maybe trim tabs would be a better choice for your issue.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yup, been evaluating options and this weekend I saw two Heats with tabs, one using the inexpensive Bennets and the other with Dana Performance Tabs. Dana gets my vote as far as the $$$ go, the HP1000 look likes it will do the job nicely.

Does anyone know of an online link for calculating slipage?

[kevnmcd]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC_Nelson @ Mar. 22 2004, 3:30 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Does anyone know of an online link for calculating slipage?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Try this. (http://go-fast.com/Prop_Slip_Calculator.htm) http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KC_Nelson]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Essex502 @ Mar. 22 2004, 3:18 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NordicHeat @ Mar. 22 2004, 12:20 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't like to be there bearer of bad news but Mr. Cavanaugh passed away recently in an automobile accident.
A very, very large loss to the boating community http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

The ball was dropped on the Maximus prop and is still being perfected at this point.

Hydromotive has recently released their two new 5 blades; one for stern lift (P5) and one for bow lift (P5-X)

We have done some preliminary testing on a Nordic Heat with a P5-X and the results are very encouraging. It really appears to be a great match for this particular boat greatly helping it with some things that the hull and drive setup just doesn't allow it to do well.
Based on these findings I have ordered one for myself and will be testing it late April. I will post results.
Talk with Matt and Julie at ThrottleUp. The highest recommendation.

Sorry for the bad news about Dennis,
Dave[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
How does Hydromotive compare pricewise to Mercury props?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I think I can get Hydromotive Props at manufacturers cost plus some shipping, I'll ask in the morning. It would be situation were there is no return/refund/exchange - you gots to know exactly what you want.

[NordicHeat]

If you do order a Hydromotive, remember that they are measured different than the Bravos.
There is ~1.5" difference in how they measure pitch
Example:
A Hydro Q4 26 is equal to a 27.5 Bravo One (if there was such a thing)
A Hydro P5-X 27 would be equal to a Bravo 29 (due to the extra blade)

If you tell ThrottleUp where your at now, they can pretty much nail it on the nose for you.

Dave

[Essex502]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NordicHeat @ Mar. 22 2004, 2:54 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Essex,
Matt and Julie were running a sale at $900 for the 5 blade. They’re $975 not on sale. They sell the Maximus also I’m not sure on the price.
Give them a call 1-877-842-6855

Sorry for invading the thread with Nordic talk http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/insane.gif

Later,
Dave[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thanks Dave! I doubt I will move to a Hydromotive until the next boat gets parked in my driveway but it's always good to know this stuff!

[Dr. Marg]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NordicHeat @ Mar. 23 2004, 08:50 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you tell ThrottleUp where your at now, they can pretty much nail it on the nose for you.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
How is Throttleup affilliated with Hydromotive? Dealer?

[Dr. Marg]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Essex502 @ Mar. 22 2004, 3:18 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How does Hydromotive compare pricewise to Mercury props?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I was quoted $545 for the Quad 4-X.

[NordicHeat]

http://www.hydromotive.com/ThrottleUP.html

[NordicHeat]

Hey KC_Nelson,
talk to Fred on these tabs...
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums....d=74917 (http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74917)
He generally has GREAT pricing....
Dave

[KC_Nelson]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NordicHeat @ Mar. 24 2004, 08:42 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey KC_Nelson,
talk to Fred on these tabs...
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums....d=74917 (http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74917)
He generally has GREAT pricing....
Dave[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thanks, I'll give him a call to see if he can better the $1800 that Dana wants.

[KC_Nelson]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NordicHeat @ Mar. 24 2004, 08:42 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey KC_Nelson,
talk to Fred on these tabs...
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums....d=74917 (http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74917)
He generally has GREAT pricing....
Dave[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
His prices are good, certainly better than paying CA sales tax on these pups - now I just have to decide to spend the $$$ or not.

[Dr. Marg]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NordicHeat @ Mar. 23 2004, 3:19 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.hydromotive.com/ThrottleUP.html[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thanks dave, very helpful. ThrottleUP has quite a website!